June 6, 2014

Leaving the Church 離開教會

Filed under: ICOC — Munhwa Experience @ 11:30 am

Is it of any importance why I left the Taiwan Churches of Christ, the Taiwanese branch of the International Churches of Christ? Am I supposed to have committed sexual immorality? Is it a problem if I haven’t? If Steve or the leaders need a reason to say why I’ve left ‘God’ as I left their church, (rather than my claim of leaving their church out of indignation), then there’s plenty of things they can say.
For one, I haven’t been to a church in 2 years, let alone an ICOC congregation. There’s been times I’ve drunk too much, (but not recently due to a stomach condition) and sworn in bitterness. And I’ve claimed that Steve Chin is an illegitimate leader. And I challenge Kelcy Han and Geoff Wong of Sydney to publicly vouch for Steven Chin or oppose him depending on your conscience before God.
Actually I’d much rather forget the ICOC and focus on my job, my creative pursuits, my cartoons, my songwriting; and would expect any ICOC leaders to be too busy with God’s work to worry about me. Perhaps it’s God’s fault, that he won’t grant security of the heart if there’s been foul play in his own backyard.


Also, if anything happens to any musician friends of mine from in the Church at the time of 2004 I’ll take whatever actions God allows me to investigate and call for justice.
我離開台灣國際基督教會的原因很重要嗎?我應該做性交嗎?沒做有問題嗎?關於我不是好基督徒的原因,很多Steve,Junmin, Alex可以用來解釋一下:兩年都沒有參加教會,偶爾喝醉了 (可是現在胃失調, 不能喝),偶爾說贈話,還有說 Steve 是假的基督徒。我給Kelcy Han 和雪梨的 Geoff Wong 一個挑戰:公共地支持Steve 或者反對他。

其實我想做其他的事情, 比如漫畫,音樂等等,也許比較希望教會領導在幕後不要理我。也許是神沒有給了安全感在院子理有不好的事情的時候。



February 10, 2014

Brief testimony

Filed under: ICOC — Munhwa Experience @ 4:51 am

In the last year before I left an Asian congregation of the International Churches of Christ I was heavily involved in several activities such as a bands and music. I got the feeling there was something wrong -some of my peers had troubled backgrounds such as sexual abuse, depression and symptoms that might be stemmed from sexual addiction and I believe they had joined the church and sought a relationship with God in order to overcome and leave behind their troubled pasts.

But when I saw irregularities and started asking questions I discovered that the leaders I had trusted started saying strange things.

For example, single members of the church aren’t supposed to flirt with non-Christians, so when I expressed my concerns about an attractive female member to my discipler (individual mentor which everyone in the ICOC had), he took me out to a park after an evening service and repeated the following line, as if he had memorised it: ‘she got a disease because of her bad behaviour’. I stewed on this for a week and then demanded he tell me what he meant. I also went higher up the leadership chain, (to the top actually) but they only supported my discipler, who later told me that he meant she had ‘cervical cancer’. In my books that was a blatant lie. It seemed it was designed as a kind of psychological provocation since they knew I was under pressure.

In fact, in many ways they tried to psych me out and almost succeeded, and I could only come to one conclusion for the reason for this -they were exploiting members with sexual weaknesses -and
I could only suppose in a sexual way. Most of these leaders were married, so that implied big time adultery (but I got the impression not all the leaders were involved -maybe 5 or 6.)

Do these certain male leaders of the ICOC consider me a threat? I’ve been out of the church for 8 years. I’ve alleged a certain possibility of sexual immorality or adultery perpetrated by male leaders within the church because of the way they reacted, lied and tried to manipulate things when I was asking questions about members of the congregation who had issues with sexuality. But I never got photographs or videos of anyone in bed or in the act. Nothing like that at all. So could I be a threat? I could easily be discarded as a bitter ex-member who is making groundless accusations.

And if they’re groundless accusations (i.e. they are innocent in this matter) then the leadership has nothing to worry about. If there’s no other evidence of funny behaviour or lies, then perhaps I am only one testimony. However, the way I’ve been treated and I feel isolated makes me feel I am a threat.

If I hit an extra raw nerve, and there was adultery going on behind the backs of their congregation, their wives and the general public, then I estimate that that would place me as a definite threat. And I made myself more of a threat by being a whistle-blower -I went from the Taipei church to the church in Sydney, and spoke to several members with leadership or ex-leadership experience. Not that that did much good -just like ‘water off a ducks back’.

Anyway, if I’m a threat, it’s a threat only in their minds, that is, not in reality. Because like I said, I have no concrete visual evidence or confessions of their engaging in sexual immorality, so even if I explain the history of how they lied and manipulated, it’s my word against theirs (although I did have an email from my discipler when I asked him about the issue of saying ‘she got a disease because of her bad behaviour’ where he replied that he meant ‘cervical cancer’ and thus admitted that he had said it in the first place).

January 18, 2014


Filed under: Uncategorized — Munhwa Experience @ 7:06 am

Interesting article from another religious WordPress blog I follow commenting on Baptism and the stages of faith. He’s an ex-Churches of Christ while I’m ex-International Churches of Christ, but I still find a lot I can relate to…

June 17, 2012

Warning about ICOC cooperation Churches

Filed under: ICOC — Munhwa Experience @ 1:29 am

I have’t posted in a while, but this is just a basic summary of my advice about the ICOC cooperation Churches. My experience is that of psychological manipulation, pride, deceit and lies, especially by the leadership. What I experienced was devoid of integrity, honesty, empathy and conscience. It got worse higher up the chain of command. My advice is to stay away. If you’re a member, leave. Find a fellowship that has vowed to have nothing to do with the ICOC. If you won’t leave, then avoid the leadership like the plague, hang at the back. The first sign of trouble, bail.

March 11, 2012

Youtube psalm to music

Filed under: Uncategorized — Munhwa Experience @ 2:49 am

I have a youtube blog which I use to put up some of my songs I’ve written over the years. On this blog I don’t usually link it to my music stuff but I’ve just put up a psalm set to music which I’ll link here.

And there’s a soundcloud file as well, but beware it, it’s influenced by indie rock.

December 10, 2011

Christmas in Taiwan

Filed under: Uncategorized — Munhwa Experience @ 2:42 am

As mentioned on my other blogs I’ve just booked a trip to Taipei from Dec 18 – Dec 31

December 8, 2011

Personal Announcement

Filed under: Uncategorized — Munhwa Experience @ 4:23 am

Over the last few months I’ve had certain symptoms which seemed to have come from an unknown source which is very frustrating. One includes sensitive to bright lights and strong daylight. I feel there’s a diuretic as well, as even though I’ve reduced coffee and alcohol to one or two a week, I can end up going to the toilet 4-5 times a night.
Also, this is intermittent with surreal, vivid dreams and there’s been times of unnatural virility at night as well. Furthermore, I’ve had leg cramps, perhaps from loosing minerals from the diuretic.

I’ts like someone’s slipping me something, but I have no idea who or how. Like they want me to commit sexual immorality or something.

July 3, 2011

On the dangers of a discipling system…

Discipling will always be controversial since the watershed events of 2003. Some congregations didn’t really change much, however, and some seem to be showing signs of a return to a reliance on the concept of discipling.

So what is discipling? One of the problems is that the term can be ambiguous -ICOC preachers have used it as a cover term for teaching, training, correcting and rebuking. But the term has taken its own definition in the past culture and practices under Kip Mckean’s ICOC – ‘one-over-one’ discipling’. It’s also been called ‘shepherding’ and ‘mentoring’ whereby each member of the congregation has a personal discipler or mentor, who has (depending on the congregation) some degree of authority over them.

In the culture of the ICOC it had become implied that any true Christian church must have this system of one-over-one discipling. Though it is argued that Jesus had such relationships over his apostles and wanted it passed down, there is no proof of a one-over-one discipling system practised as essential doctrine in the New Testament churches.

One blogger critic of the ICOC discovered a sermon discussing the relationship of Jonathan and David and that it resembled an effective discipling relationship. The critic alleged that the problem arose, however, when the preacher claimed that David’s falling into the sin of adultery was because of a failure to replace a ‘discipler’ in his life after the death of Jonathan.

If this is true, what are the implications? Surely this would be attributing a modern concept (of discipling) over David. Yes, he had godly friendships that help him in his walk, but the responsibility to have a personal discipler was an unknown concept for the people of the day. Besides, the bible cleary attributes the impetus for his sin to laziness (as Kings should lead their armies in war, not stay at the palace), not the lack of a personal human leader (2 Samuel 11:1-2).

Interpreting scripture in light of one-over-one discipling is dangerous and borders on idolatry. I thought I  might coin a name for the idol: ‘Disciplon’. If you start to make the assumption that the only way to be righteous is by having a godly mentor, it’s in danger of becoming a core belief. We can only obtain  righteousness through Jesus -his death on the cross and our faithful response to it.

Does that mean it’s wrong to have a spiritual mentor, a godly leader with a personal relationship in our lives? Of course not, but it shouldn’t be what we rely on, and having it institutionalized in doctrine is dangerous for false leaders and imposters can use the system and take protégés for themselves as well. Bad leaders who take on roles as disciplers can wield damaging influence over their followers and should they rise up through the ranks, can lead whole congregations and regions astray. It can also be argued that Pharisees also ‘discipled’ their followers to be just like them.

The temptation for ICOC congregations is to be seduced by former glory and a significant feature that set them apart from other congregations was the one-over-one discipling system. But to revive (or continue) this system might be justified by the belief that ‘discipling’ is an essential doctrine with the implications of one-over-one discipling being the same thing. In other words, they’ll need to erect the idol ‘Disciplon’.

There are many godly personalities in the bible who did and didn’t have mentors and personal leaders in their life at various times but they all made do by relying on their relationship with God.

June 18, 2011

Music to Psalm 93 is up on Reverb Nation (from blogspot)

Filed under: Uncategorized — Munhwa Experience @ 8:47 am
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Taken from my DonakRV.Blogspot site:

Due to my Christian beliefs, every now and then I like to try to put a psalm to music. I did a couple of psalms a few years ago but never put them up on the net, but I’ve recently worked out a kind of ‘mod-rock’ accompaniment to Psalm 93 and have decided to put the demo up on Reverb Nation.

I suppose one reason for doing it is for my own benefit as a kind of espression of faith, and I like to use the psalms because they express truths about the nature of God and man better than I ever could. Psalm 93 uses personification of the sea as it gives praise to God. Which brings me to the video -I’ve taken some footage of the local Maroubra ocean cliffs (in Sydney Australia), and I’m going to attempt make a clip to go along with the song if all goes well.

In the meantime, I’ve got an audio demo up on Reverb nation:!/artist/artist_songs/473201

May 22, 2011

Yes I’m still here and about ‘the Book of Eli’

Filed under: Christianity — Munhwa Experience @ 2:25 am
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I haven’t been in the habit of posting to this blog over the last 1-2 years as I’ve been focused on my other two blogs (Struggling Muso and Munhwa Experience) but I do keep an eye on it. I haven’t been thinking about things religious lately, but I watched ‘The Book of Eli’ last night which has a religious theme to it. The setting is post apocalyptic America with the usual elements: roaming bikie gangs, desolate landscapes and a struggle for basic resources. However, the protagonist isn’t so much a ‘mad Max’ but rather a lone warrior monk on a mission.

A strong theme on ‘religion and power’ popped up via the villain, who views the best way to strengthen his power as a warlord of a desolate town is to use religion over the non-educated townsfolk (only he and the hero, as older people, remember how to read from pre-apocalyptic days). It was an interesting reflection on Christianity and right-wing politics and if it wasn’t for the holy protagonist who had sympathy and reverence for the Word of God, I would’ve almost got the impression the whole film was taking a pot-shot at religion. In the end it expressed the value of religion as long as it isn’t in the hands of political abusers and bullies. The action, acting (with Denzel Washington) and cinematography were good too.



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